Julie goes down the stairs and comes into a familiar large room of French Provincial décor, having a large rectangular table and windows looking out to a beautiful scene on one side and a wall of paintings on the other. It takes Julie and Ted a while to figure out how to explain and understand the seating plan since all six participants are down at one end of the large table in this position together for the first time. When Julie is ready for questions, Ted asks how their (her) experience of the Mount Carmel visualization was created. Hilarion gives a fascinating account of this “multi-temporal multimedia,” involving beings with real time signatures appearing in a time-travel re-creation of a former reality that existed in the community on Mount Carmel in northwest Palestine in the year 28 CE.
Hosted by Julie at her house in Pagosa Springs, CO; conducted and later transcribed by Ted, the transcript is speaker-identified open-text dialogue with briefer comments placed in-line inside corner brackets (“< … >“). Julie’s first words are …
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Julie– So while you were talking, I got down the stairs … and all the way down more stairs with the animals. We’re going into a room that I think is the third time we have been here, which looks to be a room that may be in France. Anyway, it’s a big rectangular room, and the table is rectangular, but the only people who are in there … up at the top which would be 12 o’clock noon … are Hilarion and Athena, and as they face the table, he’s on the left, and she’s on the right. You and I came in and sat down, me opposite Hilarion with you on my right and on the other side of the table … <I’m on your right?> Yes, so imagine a big rectangular table .. big … <And we’re on one of the two long sides of it?> No, we’re all at the top end—there are only six of us.
Ted– All at the top …? There’s a rectangular table, and we’re all sitting along one side of it?
Julie– Sorry, Hilarion and Athena are at a short end, and you and I are on a long end, a long side, with me next to … I know I’m not doing a very good job of describing this … so, across the table from you and I … Ariel is right across from me, and Michael is right across the table from you.
Ted– Oh, now I’m really confused (!). First of all, there’s a rectangular table that has a short side and a long side … could you then tell me if you and I are sitting on a short side or a long side? <A long side.> Ok, we’re on a long side …
Julie– So, if you’re walking into a room and looking at the long table, Hilarion and Athena are clear at the other end of the room … because we came in from the back of the room, if you will …
Ted– And the side facing you as you come in … is it a long side or a short side? <short> Ok, go on.
Julie– So everybody, all six of us, are at the opposite end of the room from the door. Hilarion and Athena …
Ted– We’re all sitting on a long side or a short side?
Julie– No, there’s two on a long, two on a short, and two on a long.
Ted– Ok, so three of the four sides of the table are occupied, and we’re essentially all sitting at one end? <yes> Good, thank you, so Hilarion and Athena are sitting on a short side, and you and I are sitting at the same end of one of the long sides. <correct> Now, who is sitting next to Athena? <Ariel, but around the corner …> Ok, so Ariel is sitting next to Athena, and next to her is Michael (?). And we’re sitting across from them (?). <correct> And who’s sitting opposite to Ariel? <I am.> Ok. <And you are opposite from Michael.> Ok, I’ve got it now. Thank you. <Well, I’m sorry …> It’s ok, I just wanted to get it right.
Julie– So even though it’s rectangular, if we were sort-of equating it to time, Michael would be at 2 o’clock; Ariel would be at 1; Athena and Hilarion would be at noon; and then I would be at 11, and you would be at 10.
Ted– That’s what I thought, so I have it right.
Julie– Ok, good. We’ve been in this room at least twice before. It’s a big room; it looks very French Provincial. It’s a huge table. There are windows to our back, looking out to a beautiful scene, and behind Michael and Ariel is a wall of paintings. Ok, so that’s the setup, and that’s all there are—just the six of us. Ok, ready for questions.
Ted– Well, I would like to thank the participants for being with us again for this shorter session, following our main session earlier today, which as they know, was timed out—we didn’t have enough battery charge remaining in our recorder to have captured the last part, which we lost and have regretted … so we would now like to ask them—if there is any way to repeat the end of what first transpired and was lost to the recorder—would they make a few things clearer to us that we didn’t have time to ask about, and perhaps further interpret our extraordinary session?
Presumably, anyone could begin, perhaps by telling us what actually happened in this earlier session … were Julie I experiencing a vision; were we actually taken back in time—that is, you would have been the one taken back in time—along with the participants; were the participants themselves present in the year 28 C.E.; or was it all a virtualization in real time that allowed the historical time to be drawn upon for a realistic experience for everyone? Or something else?
Julie– [takes a deep breath] Ah, Hilarion is saying that what I experienced was a composite based on the fact that I—we … did actually live in that time—the experience is/ was more of a virtualization, as you say—not existing in real time—however, taking on the character of time travel, which is something you and I have both done, even though we may not recall it. So, he’s saying “composite” would be the best way to describe it—it drew on actual memories of scene, time and place … but it was also similar in some ways to what Pleiadians call a “real vision.”
The participant’s energy signatures were real, primarily that of Jmmanuel, Gabriel, Mother Mary and Mary Magdalene, as we would call them. Hilarion is saying, “Participants in fact did contribute and participate, and they appeared as they did in that time and as we knew them or knew of them.” Ah, the Sirians and the Pleiadians are future selves … Athena just said, “We were experiencing tri-location in a sense: past, present and future, with our future selves, our present selves and also from the past.” But Hilarion is saying he doesn’t like your word “virtualization” here … [slightly amused] He said that he likes, “multimedia presentation,” even better—multi-temporal multimedia. <That’s good (!)…> But he said, “Putting aside your term, your understanding of it is correct.”
Ted– Are you ready for the next question? <yes> Could he or anyone present describe a little more of who we, that is, Julie and myself, were during this period, what we were doing and what figures among this “biblical group” we might have known or might have seen?
Julie– Ah, we were Essenes at Mount Carmel, and we were contemporaries generationally of … this is Hilarion speaking … of Joseph and Mother Mary—we were older than Jmmanuel. We would have been their contemporaries, studying … we would have been part of the group expecting this [appearance of the “Messiah”] … and present apparently when Mary was chosen … <[very softly] Wow …> we apparently witnessed it, there at that time … studied stars, healing, and had open contact with ETs at that point … who came and went from that site. So, we were among the group who had been anticipating, awaiting the circumstance and the choosing of Mary and the birth of Jmmanuel.
Ted– Was it Gabriel who also appeared at that time?
Julie– [softly] Yes. Just a second, I’m getting names … [pause] My name was Anna; yours was Joachim. <Could you spell that?> It looks like, J O A C H I M, Joachim in Hebrew. <Good, thank you.> You look somewhat similar … hair dark, longer, very long beard, white robe. My hair is very long, straight and black. I can feel it … back in a braid. I seem to be about twenty, and you seem to be about thirty. [softly] We were married then.
Ted– And this was in the vicinity of Mount Carmel?
Julie– On Mt. Carmel … at the Essene settlement. What we saw today was later than our history of this time. We were there in the late years B.C.E., before the change of time and calendar.
Ted– Ok, well maybe we could discuss a little of how the events of that time were recorded and later became known in various documents and codices, one of which we discussed today, the Talmud Jmmanuel, but there are a number of others that are also of interest to you. Perhaps they could comment a little on how the history of the biblical period of that time, the lives and the activities of Jmmanuel and his family, their friends and the early group of Essenes there … how the earliest recordings of the happenings of that time occurred, and how they transitioned into scrolls and documents in these early historical periods of time as well—like those found at Nag Hammadi, the Dead Sea and other places (?). We’re trying to find out which of these documents are more authentic than others in depicting this early historical period. [pause]
Julie– Hilarion … they’re all four sort-of communicating to me … Hilarion is saying that these Essenes … they did not call themselves “Essenes”—this was a word that came from the Greek of later times—they called themselves the “Sons of Light,” “Children of Light” and “Followers of the Way.” They kept exhaustive records; some of these will be discovered. They have not been discovered yet—they were kept on papyrus scrolls. Many have been sealed and buried because the ordinary libraries were destroyed by Romans. The true story … Hilarion is saying … of what actually happened comes through—although somewhat imperfectly—the materials of the American psychic Edgar Cayce. The Essenes, as later so-called, kept exhaustive records—they had been monitoring prophecies; they had been monitoring the stellar conditions—the astrology—and expecting the timing on several levels in ways of prediction and prophecy. All of this was recorded.
What happened later was not recorded. [emphasis added] What happened later spread through tradition, through word of mouth, through people’s direct and indirect experiences … and was not actually recorded carefully or systematically until much later … and then, mostly by way of memory.
I’m being shown—which is really phenomenal—what it looked like at Mount Carmel. It was simple in construction of the lodgings. There was not a “temple” as we would say, a temple like the Jerusalem Temple was thought of, but there were places designated for sacred ceremony; there were a group of communal meeting houses, separate bathing houses, pools for bathing and purification, a library, observatories … simple and yet very beautiful of design. Parks overlooking the sea with olive groves, vineyards, grape arbors, gardens—all incredibly beautiful. None of that remains—other than in ruins.
Ted– It was probably destroyed by the tsunami that had occurred …
Julie– Not the tsunami … Romans. <Yes, of course …> That’s what Hilarion is saying. Truth still lies hidden. They will work with us, though. I can see it because we were there. I also have the ability to both see it and remember it. Hilarion is saying, very little of what is open or has been revealed or written contains the truth of what went before—the truth of how it happened—and of course, the connection with those from the other worlds or higher realms … but they’re giving me the very hopeful sense that more will be discovered … that it’s good to explore and search, and that they are willing to work with us. Because of the climate, they [the Essenes] were able to garden almost all year, and they had a very healthy, pure lifestyle … water from wells, fruit from their orchards and gardens. That feels like enough for this question … I don’t know …
Ted– Yes, that was really good (!). I was also wondering what the early life of Jmmanuel might have been like since it’s almost entirely missing. He lived there on Mt. Carmel for some part of his childhood, I presume, and participated in the teachings …?
Julie– Yes, part on Mount Carmel, part in Egypt, in Alexandria and what would later be called “Mystery Schools” in Egypt. What were called Persian Magi came frequently as teachers to Mount Carmel. They also took him into the East in his early years … the story of him in the Temple at age twelve does have some basis in truth, where he began to give talks. The story of him being lost was not true. He did go to Tibet, to India—and always came back to Mount Carmel.
Ted– So, we must have seen him when he lived there …
Julie– [softly] We knew him well.
Ted– … knew him well … wow (!).
Julie– We watched him grow.
Ted– And we were aware of the role he would play?
Julie– [softly] Yes. Yes, we were good friends with Joseph. <His father?> Yes. Yes, I was apparently one of the girls in the group with Mary who prepared [for the selection by Gabriel of the young mother-to-be of Jmmanuel]. If this is right, [begins to laugh] we were part of that whole group. We were happy to be there, then. Goodness, it looks like our linkage and tasks with the Pleiadians and all their projects have gone on a very long time (!). Always, Athena is saying, the effort was to teach Earthumans how to be more loving and peaceful, how to live in more harmony. She’s saying history tried to obliterate their [the Essenes’] existence. [pause] Sorry … I’m just busily being shown all these different …
Ted– No need … that’s fine, just tell me when you want to continue … anything you’d like to say, just take your time and describe what you’re feeling, seeing and hearing.
Julie– It’s just all coming in such strong memories …
Ted– You can record more of your impressions when we go into our debrief discussion after this conference meeting …
Julie– Do you have another question?
Ted– I think we have done quite well so far. There may not be too many more things we should ask about today. We have a better understanding of all this now.
Julie– … my knees …?
Ted– Ok, we’ll ask about your knees as soon as you’re ready.
Julie– If you don’t have another question …?
Ted– Should we address it to Hilarion or Ariel … concerning what the best therapeutic approach for your ailing knees would be? We’re afraid that the pain that you’re experiencing might become worse, so we would like to begin whatever treatments might be helpful to minimize this problem now. Massage with oils would seem to be the most obvious choice to me.
Julie– Ariel said massage of the lower back with oil … even olive oil is fine; massage oil is fine. Massage of the lower back, and I’m being shown, like if I’m lying flat on my back, after the back is relaxed, bend the knees backward, like in the position where the heel would touch the buttocks … and then, rub the knees with oil in that position. <Hmm, ok.> [pause, deep breath] Tightness in the lower back and sacrum … release first … and that will release the long tendons and muscles in the front and back of the thigh that connect to the knee. The issue is muscular, apparently, and not skeletal. <Oh, that’s good.>
Ted– Perhaps they could also tell us if some of the dancing we’ve been doing lately for a little exercise, is helpful or whether we should restrict it more.
Julie– Hilarion is saying, helpful, but don’t overdo. It’s releasing crystallizations, build-up of materials. Helpful, largely helpful, not to overdo, but largely helpful.
Ted– Ok, does that seem finished?
Julie– Yes, if it feels like you got what you needed. I guess I would only also say, so it’s on the recording, that when you asked me the question … if we knew Jmmanuel, I could see us looking what might be thirty or forty years of age—me thirty, you forty—and him around ten, running around and being just a beautiful precocious child.
Ted– Hmm, that’s very sweet. Can you give us any notion of how many people may have lived in that community?
Julie– I would say about a hundred.
Ted– Is that all? Only a hundred?
Julie– Well, that’s what I could see. <Wow (!).> Not a lot. I mean, the rest of them all lived in the cities or communities. They were integrated into these communities; they had “quarters.” There was an Essene quarter in Jerusalem; and many of them were merchants of the produce that was grown. <Oh, I see …> The Mount Carmel settlement was like a school, temple … “monastery,” almost … would be the word.
Ted– Yes, that would have been the prototype for them.
Julie– … like a “commune”—people came and went a lot …
Ted– Yeah, things were brought and delivered back and forth …
Julie– … famous for wine and olive oil … beautiful gardens … [pause]
Ted– And can you describe what’s happening now?
Julie– I’m seeing people, and I was looking at the robes. Everybody wore these white robes that were woven out of a flax linen-like fabric … really beautiful, comfortable clothes—no adornments … earthenware pots and dishes, very beautiful.
Ted– This is a little bit of an aside, but was there any indication that alchemical works were going on at that time? <With metals, you mean?> Yes.
Julie– Hilarion is saying yes, but not so much here, in this particular spot … more of that in Egypt. Some … it was known. They worked with metals. From what I can tell, there is pottery … wooden tables … there are metals; they had metal implements to eat with, but mostly pottery bowls and plates … cups without handles … is what I see.
Ted– Ok, we’re probably coming close to the end of our session, so when you’re ready, perhaps you could ask if there’s anything else we would benefit from knowing about today?
Julie– Well, they’re all beaming at us (!).
Ted– Well, we are amazed … and surprised in some ways … to find that we had the great privilege to be in the Essene community at this extraordinary time, which helps us understand how our interests may have developed afterwards—and in this particular lifetime. Of course, we would like to try to do something useful with what we’re learning that would allow the real authentic information about that time and place to become known eventually. We’re very grateful to know what we have been told today. Do you have anything to add?
Julie– Yes, just to thank you and them.
Ted– So, if you are ready, as you probably are, you will begin to realize, on the count of five, that our conference meeting has concluded and you will soon be returning to your ordinary state of awareness at your house in Pagosa Springs …
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Rose and Lilac garden at Ted’s Golden Eagle Oaks house in California, dedicated to the Three Marys: traditional Mother Mary (right), Mary Magdalen (center), and Julie Mary Loar (left).
- As explained by Semjase to Eduard “Billy” Meier in Message from the Pleiades, a “real vision” is a highly realistic but imaginative or visionary experience created and orchestrated technologically by a Pleiadian operative for the purpose of giving someone a very convincing experience that would otherwise be difficult to attain for them in terms of recollection and motivation. ↑
- … that is, chosen by the Pleiadian ET Gabriel to be the hybrid mother of Jmmanuel [Jesus], as it comes down in “Holy” Christian tradition, the “Mother of God.” ↑
- I was thinking, erroneously, of the legendary San Torini tsunami, that had struck the eastern Mediterranean region, but which had happened much earlier. ↑